Showing posts with label bigotry. Show all posts
Showing posts with label bigotry. Show all posts

Tuesday, April 23, 2013

Ghost Speech

The following was posted by someone on Facebook and is being claimed as the speech given by Vladmir Putin, the Russian president, to the Duma (Russian Parliament), about tensions with minorities in Russia:

"In Russia live Russians. Any minority, from anywhere, if it wants to live in Russia, to work and eat in Russia, should speak Russian, and should respect the Russian laws. If they prefer Sharia Law, then we advise them to go to those places where that's the state law. Russia does not need minorities. Minorities need Russia, and we will not grant them special privileges, or try to change our laws to fit their desires, no matter how loud they yell 'discrimination'. We better learn from the suicides of America, England, Holland and France, if we are to survive as a nation. The Russian customs and traditions are not compatible with the lack of culture or the primitive ways of most minorities. When this honorable legislative body thinks of creating new laws, it should have in mind the national interest first, observing that the minorities are not Russians.

Truth be told, then there exist no records to validate if this speech was ever made by Mr. Putin. However, this blog post is not being written to investigate the existence of this speech, it is in-fact just a reproduction of the comments that followed the above post. It is upon the reader to draw their own conclusions.

Comments:-

A: You are right [Name]. Time demands a change in our approach, if we have to survive.

Me: Sir, Vladmir Putin never made such a speech, its a hoax. There are no news reports available to claim the veracity of existence of this speech. And, regarding the message being conveyed through this speech, it is one of intolerance and certainly should not be welcome. The problem with our country is not that we are being over-tolerant or appeasing but inefficient, lazy and narrow-minded.

B: Before claiming this as a hoax, you check net and search for putin's speech in Feb. You will find many links of newspapaers. Regarding the speech, i think time has come to talk beyond religion, caste, creed in our country and show Mulayam, Maya, Mamata and others road to their extinction. These politicians are thriving on such issues at the cost of country.

Me: I forgot to mention "credible" news reports...does BBC report, does The Guardian say something, does the New York Times or even our very own The Times of India report anything??....and, Yes sir, I agree with you on that, 'time has come", and those politicians certainly needs to change their ways or get extinct. That was my whole point politicians are using appeasement, vote-politics to further their cause only. What I want is a reasonable and fair approach in government policies. What this message conveys is disrespect and intolerant attitude towards the culture, religion of the so-called minorities. I only demand reason and fairness, that's it.

C: Great Putin! He is a true leader; He has foresight and moral courage; He is a true patriot; India needs to have such masculine leaders!!

C: [Name], you are great;

C: I don't think there is any intolerance in Putin's statement, as somebody here predicates; A Muslim leader in Hyderabad openly threatens to quash the Hindu culture; That Muslim leader claims that he has even stamped out the normal temple activities such as chiming the bell, during Deity-worship in the Bhagya-Laxmi Temple of the city; To deal with such so called minorities, a Putin-like leader is urgently required in India;

Me: Putin might feel odd knowing that he is being hailed for a speech that he never gave. Regarding the previous comment, a Muslim leader agitates a disaffected crowd and goes on rampage and the whole of community is branded as such; similarly when RSS or VHP go on a rampage the whole of Hindu community is branded as such. This point that one or two people or an organized unit do not make up the general make up of the whole community is not being understood by anyone. Its not about a Muslim or a Hindu doing something, its about a bad person doing bad deed, that's what this is about. Put them in prison and let them rot. I don't know where the religion figures here. And that message, what that conveys is highly dangerous; it says to ostracize the whole of community based on religion or whatever social factor is there. That is what I am against, the disrespect of culture of people who are different from us. It’s just like that Muslim leader who has no respect for our culture and similarly there are "truth-seekers" who have no respect for their culture. An eye for an eye.

C: What {name} says is an ideal approach to the situation; This rarely happens in a real world;

Me: I really don't get it, what's ideal approach. It seems to be suggested from the previous comment that if an anti-social element from one community commits a crime then other should persecute the whole of the masses from former community. What is to be done then? Carry out your actions the way the message says, 1). they should speak the language the majority speaks, 2) make laws with suitability for majorities only, 3) force customs and culture on them - resulted in unrest in Sri Lanka, Pakistan, Refugees in Myanmar, CHECHENS IN RUSSIA, and it is endless - is it really what we want? - and it will continue till somebody decides with a calm mind that we should discuss and solve problems. I am proud of my country where lived such Men and Women of foresight who made this country what it is, there lived many cultures, many religions, like different colors of a rainbow and so long will they as there continue to take birth such Men and Women, irrespective of religion, caste, creed, and color. I think lets agree to disagree, because there seems no end to this discussion.

Tuesday, June 28, 2011

Mandir aur Masjid


HOPEFULLY THEy WILL NOT ASK ME…

“Without this planning how do you think we razed the [Babri] masjid in six hours? Do you think a group of frenzied kar sevaks could have gone about it so systematically?”

-         One VHP leader, boasting that engineers had been asked to identify the structure’s weak spots and volunteers trained on how best to bring it down.[1]

Though I do not hope such a situation will ever arise but what if someone comes up and asks me, “What do you think; Babri Masjid or Ram Mandir should be erected in Ayodhya?”

For, I will look at them derisively and would say, “Go play with your toys. For how does it matter whether there’s a Mandir or a Masjid, you still will not leave your hypocrisy, you still will worship stones, and you still will trample living humans under your feet. Ah! Such is your appalling condition. You call yourselves a Hindu or a Muslim, but little do you know that you are so by accident and not by choice. They are all ideologies, that is what you fail to understand. Was there some kind of stamping done on your forehead by God when you were born? No, but you still behave so rigidly. You were told, did you get me “told” and put this carefully in your head that you did not choose. Am I right or wrong? Just because you learned something initially does not mean that it was correct. Now, if someone comes up and tells you about “their” faith, “their” practices and asserts themselves to be true. I know what you will do; you will pick up a sword and behead him, instead of resorting to reason. That’s how stupid, ignorant you are, for you have lost all your intellect of reasoning and logic to parochialism. That’s why I am saying to you; just go away, for you do not deserve my attention.”



Ref:-
[1] For first quote: - “India after Gandhi” by Ramachandra Guha, p640, taken obviously without permission.

Tuesday, May 10, 2011

My Reply - Posting in Blog only because it got very large

Sorry, Shivang but you seem to be completely out of context here. Why? Because I didn't say that men are fools to believe in cause/faith/religion/god/human, you interpreted that by yourself or more plausibly misinterpreted...What I wanted to say was just that WE SHOULD BELIEVE IN RELIGION BUT WITH REASON, WE SHOULD NOT BLINDLY FOLLOW ANY IDEA OR THOUGHT PROCESS. And, thereby those men who believe in religion, here I mean "true religion" and follow "true saints" not the saints (or crooks as you said) "who speak utter non-sense", are not fools.

Did it never occur to you that a man who once performed heinous crimes, suddenly takes a plunge in Ganges and then is proclaimed by those saints(or crooks) to be free of all sins, to be senseless and irrational. Then how in the world do you tell me to leave my power of reasoning behind.

And, when did I say "looking for the causes and rationality of every action". Here again you interpreted or misinterpreted by yourself...I only talked about religion and not every other action(of course, I won't reason whether I should brush my teeth or not, etc)....Religion surely deserves to be followed with reason.

"wouldnt have survived this long if we questioned our parents when they first fed us or clothed us whn we couldnt make sense of its utility" - Here again you wandered away from the topic, from where did the role of parents entered into play.....only religion and saints are in limelight...and not reason-ability of common actions....

"same is the case with the path that leads to truth" - Unreasonbleness, I don't think so. Why? Ramamkrishna parahamsa questioned about the viability of "bread-winning" education (moment of rationality) to his parents and then went on to learn vedas(that includes Upanishads-contains non-dual principle-that is, what was quoted by Vivekananda in earlier post), Puranas, etc....Buddha questioned his charioteer about old age, death and then he developed distaste for this life and finally became a monk (again arising from rationality and faculty of cognition)....look into autobiographies of everyone with minutest details...it will become inescapble for you not to find reasonable and rational approach of all these "true saints"....

"vivekanada was the chief disciple of ramakrishna paramhansa.to train the eye to see something that is esoteric one needs a guide." - Not agreed. Why? Buddha, Jesus found truth by themselves, didn't they? Yes, you might now say that they were extraordinary but that doesn't deny the fact that truth can be searched alone, if you have the will to do so....

"quote buddha and vivekanada without checking twice on their integrity/holiness bcoz u believe that they can guide u to the answer to ur dilemma." - How did you presume that I didn't check? From where did you deduce this statement? Did you perform extraction of stealing my ideas from the deepest hidden corners of my subconsciousness like that guy Dom Cobb did in the movie Inception? I seriously doubt this....As a matter of fact, I did check...but not now, it started when I first read of Buddha in 6th-7th of our NCERT book....and since then have been reading about him and others...And, now you tell me to check their integrity/ holiness...Well, I bet you, if you ever find something erroneous about them, please do tell me....

"it is our psyche/pride at work when we look to find means to demean others as it is hard to acknowledge that there do exist those who know/understand more than we do." - Please do tell me whom did I demean. And, where did I claim in my post that I am the most intelligent or for that matter wrote anything that made you interpret this....please do quote any sentence from my post....

"The learning and knowledge that we have, is, at the most, but little compared with that of which we are ignorant." plato - Agreed one hundred percent....But this has nothing do with what I posted...Yet again comprehensively out of context...

And, once again I want to say this:-
WE SHOULD BELIEVE IN RELIGION BUT WITH REASON AND WE SHOULD NOT BLINDLY FOLLOW ANY IDEA OR THOUGHT PROCESS.

Why have I been so much concerned about reason can made more clear once you read this. During my childhood years I mostly lived with my granparents in village, did my schooling there till class-III. That must have been around 1991-92, good enough age to remember little bits of information. What do I remember? Once my grandparents or  parents, I don't remember whom, once informed me that there is a house of "bhangee" over there, and reprimanded me to never ever go near them, exhorting that God will punish me. Of-course, without any power of  reasoning then, I would've believed them, But, when I read of Buddha and works by others, as well as mathematics (practice of reasoning), I started to exercise my power of cognition. And, then what do I see now, what my grandparents/ parents were telling me was rubbish all the way, and had this power of reasoning and the urge to search & find the truth on my own, not taken place in me, I would've been blindly following what they call as religion, which in actuality is not. How the hell is that person whom they call "bhangee" or by any other name which they can pick up to make it sound more derogatory, be anyhow different from us? Does he not eat, sleep, drink as we do? Does he not has flesh, bones, hairs as we do have? To hell with all those irrationalists and fools, I pity them, for how long will it take them to realize the truth only the almighty knows. "A person with even an iota of rationalism would not believe in such non-sense."

"Where shall we go to find God if we cannot see Him in our own hearts and in EVERY LIVING BEING. To me God exists in everyone as much as He does in me, for we are nothing but self-multiplied, just for ever once try to visualize yourself in that thoughtlessness state, which would have existed at the time of our births, before all this rubbish was forced into our minds, JUST TRY ONCE"

Wednesday, May 4, 2011

Arbitrary thoughts: Religion and Osama

Hello Guys....seems like an epoch since I posted last...Any-ways I hope you all are having a good time.

Today at lunch, one of my friends went berserk while explaining to us each and every aspect of the mission in which Osama Bin Laden, world's most viscerally loathed terrorist, was killed by United States Navy SEALS in a covert operation authorized by President Barrack Obama, in a way nothing short of a Hollywood movie.

While, discussing or for the most part of our listening, he told us that Osama was buried with proper funeral rituals as per Islam, although in Ocean. And, since then I have been contemplating about the concept of religion and its significance, especially for terrorists such as Osama Bin Laden.

What is religion? In my reckoning, it is a set of ideas, principles or rules, laid down before you or more plausibly fed forcibly into your immature and naive mind which is able to accept anything at that time, by your parents, grandparents, teachers, relatives, friends and so on. But why would you believe them? It's simple, because you see them from the time of your birth, you trust them, for they protect and love you. And, love is the only language that a human or a living creature is able to understand right from their birth. But, what if your "well-wishers" were themselves ill-informed and ignorant. Did you ever doubt them? No, why would you, for you didn't even knew how to doubt or even the definition of doubt.

And, then comes the revelation of your association with a particular tribe or race, nationality, all these notions being continually inscribed deep into your personality during your initial years, by the so called "wise-people/ well wishers". After conditioning of your mind for years with such thoughts, you develop a strong or unmovable sense of belongingness as if it was existing primordially. Now, if someone asks you your religion, tribe/ race, nationality, you would without any second thoughts, say at the top of your voice, " I am a Hindu/ Muslim/ Christian......" or "I am an Indian/ American/ German......". TO ME EVERY HUMAN BEING IS SAME SKELETON OF BONES WOVEN AROUND WITH FLESH & NERVES, AND NOTHING ELSE, IT'S JUST THIS DELUDED SENSE OF BELONGINGNESS WHICH DIFFERENTIATES US, AND WE FOOLISHLY FIGHT WITH EACH OTHER OVER PETTY ISSUES, SHAME ON US.

Religion, in my opinion, meant to be a set of ideas, principles or rules laid down to lead a proper and purpose-driven life, a way of life. All the world's greatest religions, in a nutshell, only teach you all these rules and principles, some of them being "Universal Brotherhood", "Tolerance", "Non-Violence*", "Truth", "Honesty". But, observe yourself honestly, are you really following these teachings in all sincerity. Here, I can emphatically say "No. you are not nor I am". So, can you still say you are a Hindu, Muslim, Christian... etc, I doubt... (To be Continued... for now ending with following final thought...)

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